The complicated legacy of Spain's super-rich 'indianos' - BBC REEL

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    In the late 19th Century, hundreds of thousands of Spaniards left Spain for America. A few made an exceptional fortune and returned home; they are known as 'indianos'. Their new fortune helped to transform their country, and their lavish mansions are still a symbol of this today, however there is also a dark past behind how some gained their wealth, one that Spain is only now beginning to confront.
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LionUniverse14 +56
LionUniverse14

My great grandmother's family went from Spain to the Americas hoping to make a better life for themselves, and left their smallest child (my great grandma) with a childless aunt who had married a Portuguese man that were reasonably well off. They ended up working as indentured servants, and most of the family died. The mother and a few of the daughters survived and managed to return, came to Portugal and worked in factories. My great grandma was loved by her aunt and uncle, was given an education, but felt abandoned and was so overjoyed to be reunited when they returned, but her sisters had gone through so much grief they were not the same people anymore. They loved her, but couldn't relate to her at all.

2 месяца назад
thoyo +5
thoyo

You are fortunate to so deeply know your family story. Thank you for sharing :)

2 месяца назад
José Antonio González Sanchez +7
José Antonio González Sanchez

Mis bisabuelos emigraron a Cuba y México desde Galicia y Cantabria, mis bisabuelas eran asturianas, empezaron realizando múltiples oficios, y acabaron convirtiéndose, uno en hacendado en Camagüey y el otro empresario de alimentación en Puebla. Hicieron una cuantiosa fortuna y sus hijos construyeron unas casas indianas espectaculares por la zona de Cudillero.

2 месяца назад
ylenia González +130
ylenia González

Indianos no es solo de la peninsula iberica. En Canarias, hubo muchisima gente que emigro a latinoamerica y regresó años después . En la isla de la Plama, se celebra la llegada de estos canarios emigrados en la fiesta de Los Indianos

2 месяца назад
Casimir LeYeti +1
Casimir LeYeti

Se dice que tanbién que el patrimonio genético de sus islas caribeñas es en gran parte originario de Canarias, a pesar de la contribución consecuente africana o de otras partes del mundo

2 месяца назад
tupi211 +9
tupi211

Dicen que el acento caribeño (PR, RD y Cuba) se debe, en gran parte, a los canarios.

2 месяца назад
Victoria Muñiz +83
Victoria Muñiz

In my mother's town there was an Indiano who, among other things, built what is now the secondary school, and dedicated himself for many years to paying with his money for the studies of the children of the town. As he was intelligent, and knew that his money was not going to last forever, he left in his will that, when money began to be scarce, the first to pay for studying were the boys. This was because the families were going to invest the little money they had in having their sons study first and not the girls, which is why many girls in that town had a minimum education, which in many other areas in At that time, they did not have

2 месяца назад
Marc AG
Marc AG

@MJ sugar and tobacco money

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Merluzo Boniato Tapadillo +4
Merluzo Boniato Tapadillo

@MJ Most of the indianos made their wealth when slavery was already abolished. Don't be a fool.

2 месяца назад
MJ +1
MJ

Isn't that nice. Blood money to educate the little girls & boys. If the blood doesn't run out.

2 месяца назад
peace and love +3
peace and love

Boys first because they would be the breadwinners

2 месяца назад
Jesús Álvarez-Cedrón +150
Jesús Álvarez-Cedrón

In that time Cuba was a region of Spain, equal to Asturias or Galicia, and one of the most developed of the Spanish Monarchy.

2 месяца назад
Jesús Álvarez-Cedrón
Jesús Álvarez-Cedrón

@adita cruz ahh no? So why the cuban citizens had the same right to vote and participate in the spanish elections (national and regional ones)? Ironically nowadays neither Puertoricans nor cubans have that same rights.

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adita cruz
adita cruz

From the 15th century, it was a colony of Spain, and slavery was abolished in 1886, remaining a Spanish colony until the Spanish–American War of 1898, when Cuba was occupied by the United States and gained independence in 1902. The fantasy of Cuba 🤣🤣🤣

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adita cruz
adita cruz

No, it was a Spanish colony, Cuba was never considered a Spanish region ffs

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PabloAlvez +2
PabloAlvez

A great friend of mine who's from Puerto Rico descends from Balearic Islanders, his great great uncle came from the Island of Mallorca, when he was a teenager with his two elder brothers,. (The eldest would go to Argentina) . He worked really hard and amassed a big fortune. When he returned to his village , he built an outstanding mansion, with palm trees all around , just like in Puerto Rico. In 1939, around 15000 Balearics had arrived in the Caribbean, mostly in PR and Cuba. When the Spanish Civil War ended, most of them returned, to Mallorca for the most part.

2 месяца назад
Martin Gonzalez +85
Martin Gonzalez

Its interesting that it just wasnt Spain. Many Corsicans migrated to Puerto Rico many made fortunes went back to corsica and built mansions, hospitals, schools,many other things that modernized there country. Some did it honestly others did it wrongly. But they made it honestly and gave back to there communities that they left. Like all other nations have done bad or good. 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸

2 месяца назад
bluerocker27
bluerocker27

Aren’t corsicans of Latin origin??? They speak a Latin language if I remember correctly…

2 месяца назад
Santana LeBleu +11
Santana LeBleu

@Rolando Manuel I lived in Spain but I never noticed any shame or resentment towards Romans, and can say the same for the rest of Europe. I now live in the US but I never hear anybody talking about revenge on the British who colonized them, same as in Australia or Canada. I currently live in Texas, a state that used to be Mexico and declared independence from the Mexicans in 1836 before joining the US... but cultural and commercial ties are so alive and strong between both countries (well, Texas is a US state that feels like a country of its own). Western Europe, The US, Canada, Australia are all developed nations with high living standards. Texas is currently the 9th economy in the world ...Bottomline: maybe it's time for us Latin Americans to realize nobody owe us anything anymore, what's in the past, good or bad, cannot be changed and happened so we can be here today and have a chance to make it better for future generations and become prosperous nations just like those that aren't stuck thinking of genocides or colonization. Also, an interesting fact is that most Latin Americans that have migrated to Europe are not indigenous people (who for the most part tend to stay in their homelands) most are either mestizos or direct descendants of Europeans and in many cases they even hold European passports. I'm just sharing this to bring a different perspective. Not trying to be annoying or start a fight here.

2 месяца назад
Cienfuegos +5
Cienfuegos

Puerto Rican salsa legend Eddie Palmieri was a descendant of former Corsican 'indianos'.

2 месяца назад
Luboman411 +152
Luboman411

Fascinating. I was always under the impression that northern Spain became more economically prosperous than southern Spain in the late 19th and early 20th centuries because of geographical proximity to France and England, two huge industrial powers. That French and British investors were the ones to first invest in the region, seeing the cheap labor of northern Spain and transferring some factory work there. But it appears that the investment capital required to lift northern Spain to its present prosperity came from these indianos who had ventured to Cuba and Mexico. It's also odd to hear that Havana and Mexico City had higher standards of living than Spain in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. How things have changed--now Cubans clamor to emigrate to Spain for a better life (most Mexican immigrants end up going to the far closer United States).

2 месяца назад
Luboman411
Luboman411

@saint emile LOL. I see you can't read sarcasm. I live in NYC. I would hardly consider the U.S. "mighty." ;)

2 месяца назад
STONE 023
STONE 023

@Eugenio Calucci Yyyyyyes but they don't "constitute the majority of Argentinians" is what the original poster said and what I'm replying to.

2 месяца назад
Eugenio Calucci
Eugenio Calucci

@STONE 023 don't be such a mathass! Ethnic identification and genetic pool spread don't operate purely based on mathematics, some people change their name and pretend to be of other ethnicity to avoid extradition or hate crimes... Point is a significant proportion (40% iirc) of Argentinians proudly proclaim that they are mostly of Italian descent

2 месяца назад
STONE 023 +2
STONE 023

@Bob of the Storm  Italians don't constitute the majority of Argentinians this is a myth. Argentina was a Spanish province during the Spanish Empire for around 300 years. That civilization was mostly of Native American and Spanish settlers. Then came independence and later on foreigners migrated to Argentina from Europe. Out of these foreigners both Italians and more Spaniards migrated to Argentina. Thus Spanish has always been the bigger base number. Every Argentine with an Italian last name has Spanish ancestry (most likely).

2 месяца назад
admagnificat
admagnificat

Fascinating. Many thanks to all involved for your hard work on this piece.

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jonay z +170
jonay z

Well, Spain must be the only "colonial power" to make its colonies far richer than its own metropolis, up to the point that its own poorest had to emigrate to those territories. At that time, Cuba was a Spanish region of Spain, same as Andalucia or Catalonia. The "indianos" phenomenon has been massively exagerated in this video I know it because my great-grandparents were indianos themselves same as many other people of their own village. They came back richer than they left, but not one of those "indianos" was as rich as to build those sort of mansions. What made the North of Spain richer than the south was industrialization which became true as a result of a mixture of factors: abundance of cheap work force, mining resources (coal, iron, tungsten, copper, etc) and above all, the national government's protectionism of those manufactures which translated into subsidies, high taxes on certain imports, prevention of the industrialization of other regions in Spain, etc. But all those policies had been already put into place in the late XVIII century and early XIX and it took almost a century for them to have a certain success. My great-grandparent fought in the Anglo-Cuban war as a volunteer to, as he said, "prevent the protestants to take Cuba from us" which at that time was an integrant part of Spain. The first Spanish railway was the line La Habana-Güines in 1837, in the Spanish Peninsula there wasn't any yet. My great grandparent stayed in Cuba after the war and some of his brothers as well. He worked cutting sugar cane in the plantations and did other jobs not wanted by the locals, very often worked next to black people but never confronted a slave, as for the slaves was really easy to buy their own freedom. Slavery was far more common in huge plantations owned usually by Catalan burgeois who constantly pressed the national governement not to ban definitively slavery. I must also say that even though British and others had oficially banned slavery, that doesn't mean that slaves ceased to exist. Actually, what they forbade was "the Atlantic slave trade". Millions of slaves and poor workers closer to slavery existed in the British, French and Dutch colonies of Africa and Asia. One of my grandparent's brothers stayed in Cuba after the war, and after several decades both sides of the family lost contact ( at that time there wasn't internet or even telephone), it wasn't until 2010 that I received a phone call from Florida USA from a far cousin who had left the island during the Cuban revolution of 1959 with his parents.

2 месяца назад
C9
C9

@Un simple mortal me temo que usted ni siquiera sabe de lo que está hablando. no tiene nada que ver con lo que había comentado, jajajaja. inténtelo de nuevo.

11 дней назад
adita cruz
adita cruz

No, that never happened 🤣🤣🤣🙄 Cuba was a colony of Spain, it was never considered or given a status of a Spaniard province. From the 15th century, it was a colony of Spain, and slavery was abolished in 1886, remaining a Spanish colony until the Spanish–American War of 1898, when Cuba was occupied by the United States and gained independence in 1902.

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Un simple mortal
Un simple mortal

@Chris Me temo que está usted equivocado. Solo requirió de once meses (agosto de 1762 a julio de 1763) para transformar las condiciones económicas y sociales de la Isla, implicandola en el comercio azucarero, porque aquella dependía de algo llamado «Asiento de Negros» que desde 1713 estuvo en manos de los ingleses.

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Erick Enrique +1
Erick Enrique

Cuba was not a colony, but a province of Spain the moment the Capitanía general was formed

2 месяца назад
Martín cpt +2
Martín cpt

BBC documentary.... there you have it... imagine brits talking good bout spain. The same ones who erased history at their will

2 месяца назад
Eugeniadella +5
Eugeniadella

It reminded me of Patiño in Bolivia - great fortune made with tin - He set up aFoundation that still awards scholarships today to study abroad, set up the first children hospital in.Ciochabamba - the doctors were also trained by foreign doctors - The hospital still is operative today and the best place to take any child

2 месяца назад
Tade Subaru
Tade Subaru

I'm a spanish basque and I was vaguely aware of indianos. Thanks for the short documentary, it's been super informative!

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honestguy77 ! +84
honestguy77 !

My grandfather emigrated from Asturias to Cuba when he was 12, only with a cardboard luggage. He worked his ass off , met my grandmother (from Galicia, also emigrated on her own ) made a fortune and came back to Spain in 1936 to invest their wealth in Galicia. Strong fellas they were…

2 месяца назад
Gossip and Grigio
Gossip and Grigio

Doing what?

2 месяца назад
やエ +2
やエ

@saint emile I did

2 месяца назад
Madhukar Jonathan Minj +4
Madhukar Jonathan Minj

@saint emile i don't remember anyone asking for your opinion

2 месяца назад
saint emile +2
saint emile

@honestguy77 ! I don't remember anyone asking for your family's life story

2 месяца назад
Adventure Elliot +27
Adventure Elliot

You can see tens to hundreds of casas indianas if you do that Camino De Santiago northern route .. absolutely amazing. I’ve made a few videos on them as well as videos talking about the immigration between the Canary Islands and Cuba.

2 месяца назад
STONE 023
STONE 023

It wasn't just to Cuba, but do you have the link to the videos?

2 месяца назад
KAVOD HASHEM (PARA LA GLORIA DE DIOS) +10
KAVOD HASHEM (PARA LA GLORIA DE DIOS)

Los "colonizadores" ese es el termino realmente. Y muy cierto no todo fué malo. Muchas excelentes industrias de calidad fueron creados. Lástima que mucho de ese conocimiento se ha perdido. Tristemente en la actualidad esos "negreros" aún existen. Y esa discrminación es la que aún vemos en las islas del Caribe. Y todo para construir castillos inserbibles que con el tiempo se dan en remate.

2 месяца назад
La habitacion del atrapado +1
La habitacion del atrapado

"Emigrantes" es un término mas adecuado a la descripción. Pero por allá, los llamáis "gallegos" (Argentina, Uruguay...) porque muchos vinieron de Galicia. Los "colonizadores" llegaron varios siglos antes.

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Michelle mobakeng +1
Michelle mobakeng

Not that long ago, I watched a video telling the story of Corsican men who did the same as the Spaniards who sought fortune in the Americas and then returned home. They too were given a nickname by the locals. Their villas still stand, some inherited by their descendants.

2 месяца назад
Gabriel Hernandez +8
Gabriel Hernandez

Professor Martin Rodrigo is wrong to say that the word "indianos" only exists in the Iberian Peninsula. In the Canary Islands that term was also used and it is deeply rooted in our culture. In fact, there is a lot of documentation in this regard, which I invite this professor to travel to the islands of La Palma where there is even a party called the Indianos that celebrate their return arrival. This term is also used on the island of Gran Canaria and also on the island of Tenerife. there are many Canarian emigrants living in Cuba and Venezuela where they prospered and many returned with a lot of money and also made their mansions on their respective islands. Investigate much more, Mr. Martín Rodrigo, that Spain is very varied and in those years of famine everyone had to leave Spain for the Indies...

2 месяца назад
Gabriel Hernandez
Gabriel Hernandez

@MuzzaHukkaThe Canary Islands still belongs to Spain since 1402. Of course!

2 месяца назад
MuzzaHukka
MuzzaHukka

Since when were the Canaries no longer Spanish?

2 месяца назад
Íñigo Alái +1
Íñigo Alái

Quiso decir España y Portugal.

2 месяца назад
Alberto G-M
Alberto G-M

Obviamente se refiere a que la palabra indiano con este sentido solo existe en español y portugués (más gallego, asturiano y catalán), y que no existe en otros idiomas romances o germánicos. Aunque Canarias está donde está, allí se habla una lengua Ibero-romance, porque así se clasifica lingüísticamente al español. Que obviamente podía haberlo expresado de otra forma para no inducir a un error geográfico, pero asumir que su uso del término “peninsular” es ignorancia es muy atrevido, especialmente cuando su libro “Cuba, de Colonia a República” (Editorial Biblioteca Nueva, S. L , Madrid, 2006) obviamente incluye muchas referencias a la emigración Canaria a Cuba y es un estudio mucho más extenso que 5 frases en un vídeo de YouTube.

2 месяца назад
C Marq +48
C Marq

In Portugal we don’t call them INDIANOS. We also have these ostentatious and over size houses that we call “brazilian’s houses” or “torna-viagem/the ones that came back”

2 месяца назад
tupi211 +3
tupi211

@Fountain of tears a name that Portuguese people use for Portuguese-French people who are wealthier and come vacation in Portugal thinking they are better than regular Portuguese people.

2 месяца назад
Fountain of tears
Fountain of tears

@tupi211 what are avecs?

2 месяца назад
Lgg130 +4
Lgg130

@tupi211 they do. Different style though.

2 месяца назад
tupi211 +3
tupi211

What about the "avecs", don't they build nice houses too?

2 месяца назад
Erick M. +36
Erick M.

My grandmother's grandfather immigrated to Santo Domingo/ Dominican Republic at the end of the 1800s, he was from Asturias if I’m not mistaken. His last name, Fanjul but later changed to Franjul. ¡Viva España! ¡Viva la madre patria!

2 месяца назад
Erick M.
Erick M.

@kp2 xD culturalmente RD tiene más influencias españolas, desde su origen. La composición genética es otra cosa.

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kp2 xD
kp2 xD

@Erick M. Hay más influencias de África en RD

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Pepe Zancarron
Pepe Zancarron

@Erick M. Se agradecen tus palabras. Un abrazo.

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Erick M.
Erick M.

@Pepe Zancarron siglos de historia. Lo mismo te dirán muchos hispanos de centro y Suramérica, en mayor o menor medida.

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Pepe Zancarron
Pepe Zancarron

@Erick M. Me alegro. Pero sigo sin entender como un dominicano considera a España su madre patria.

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David Schneider +30
David Schneider

Good accurate translation. Very informative.

2 месяца назад
MsBimbobear
MsBimbobear

@tkautzor If you had read my first comment carefully, you'd understand that I don't agree with the way the word "America" is used in English. I consider it a bad habit, but that doesn't change the fact that when a native English speaker uses the word "America", and even though dictionaries include two meanings for this word, 99% of the time this person will be referring to "the United States of America". So, and as my main point initially was, the translation used in this video can be misleading. The fact that by "America" they're referring to "North, Central and South America" can only be inferred from the context. "The Americas", however, wouldn't be ambiguous.

2 месяца назад
MsBimbobear
MsBimbobear

@tkautzor Sure, and the slogan "Make America Great Again" means "Make North, Central and South America great again".

2 месяца назад
Bologna Beef
Bologna Beef

Except when she says "they're also ignorant about Cuba" referring to the 'star of Cuba' that doesn't exist, is translated as "they miss Cuba"

2 месяца назад
tkautzor +1
tkautzor

@MsBimbobear in English "America" is the whole of North, Central and South America

2 месяца назад
Bernardo Torres +11
Bernardo Torres

What a felicitous subject you chose because it is so , so , unknown ,to almost everyone in the world except the Spaniards themselves , and who knows , maybe even they do not know much about it : only those areas of Spain directly affected by this historical episode . I am Colombian .

2 месяца назад
arara488r4r8r48
arara488r4r8r48

En el norte de españa se sabe bien. Es obvio cuando ves un palacio en un pueblo de casitas que la fortuna que tuvo que financiar eso no se creo alli.

2 месяца назад
Rupert Simmington +6
Rupert Simmington

I live in Galicia and most of the families in my village emigrated, some to Cuba, some to Peru and many to Argentina . . . .

2 месяца назад
Lou Aceveu +47
Lou Aceveu

I am an Indiano descendent from Asturias. My great grand father made his money in Cuba and built a mansion named "El Palacion" (The big palace), the church that has his statue and a School. He went to Cuba with a lot of money and invested in retail stores (Ultramarinos) and created a fortune. I never ever heard about Indianos doing slavery and I know many families from Indianos in my County. Could be some at the beginning of the 19th century but I can assure you that it was a very small percentage because later I lived eight years in the Caribbean and I never heard that. Of course coming from England I assume that is part of the "Leyenda Negra". We just can't forget that the enemies of Spain they never mixed with the native poulations and very openly proclaimed the "The best Indian was the dead Indian" and nowadays you have all the native American reservations to prove it.

2 месяца назад
Lou Aceveu
Lou Aceveu

@Sofía Dri Ah Pillina, que bien te lo tenias guardado ja ja!!!!

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Sofía Dri
Sofía Dri

@Lou Aceveu haha I'm not British, I'm latin american

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Lou Aceveu
Lou Aceveu

@Sofía Dri What is the most difficult part to take of history it is the British twisted version of every historical fact of European history. There is a version of England of any historical fact and there is the history of all different European historians that usually is very similar. Lately, even English historians started to accept that their version has been very bias by the English interests. I lived in England and I love your country but please, revise your history to be as objective as the rest of the European historians.

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Sofía Dri
Sofía Dri

Why do the Spanish get so defensive when someone criticizes them? Own up to your mistakes as a country and move on. Denying you did something when you clearly did and whatabouting with things other countries did wrong is a very bad look. Move on people, you're not the empire you once were, and you're definitely not the first world country you think you are. At least the British accept that.

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rodrigo gimenez-rico laguna
rodrigo gimenez-rico laguna

@Ife Ifesi It is común, than when a figure is less that 1%, you can say It does "not exists", but of course, there are some, like in Spain as well.......... But less than 1% of the population is black.

2 месяца назад
Poli Adicto +5
Poli Adicto

My grandmother tells me stories about when her brothers went to Cuba in the 20’s and whenever they came back they would dress large white hats. They made lot of money. Galicia tales

2 месяца назад
Arribabajoizqui Diagonal +25
Arribabajoizqui Diagonal

Me encanta como los británicos tienen que poner la puntilla negativa y recalcada a conciencia a todo lo que no es su historia

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio
Eva Rubio

@kp2 xD Lo que pasa es que la manipulación de este vídeo es muy descarada , mezclándolo todo , siglos distintos incluso , es confuso.

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kp2 xD
kp2 xD

Me encanta como los españoles siempre defienden los crimenes que se cometieron solo por qué Inglaterra se cometieron más, y lloran siempre que alguien crítica algo de la historia de España.

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Merry Meet +1
Merry Meet

@Eva Rubio Tienes toda la razón. Personalmente, hace ya 40 años en el pueblo de mi difunta abuela, las buenas casas eran de emigrantes españoles a Francia, Suiza y Alemania, trabajadores incansables de sol a sol, porque allí les obligaban a trabajar muy duro y que regresaron a esas casas al jubilarse. Nada que ver con la manipulación efectivamente que suelen hacer los ingleses con los españoles. Invitarán al Presidente de Sudáfrica y dirán que es maravilloso, sin embargo al Presidente de nuestro país no.

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Eva Rubio
Eva Rubio

@Merry Meet Gracias , es que me da rabia ver la manipulación.

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Merry Meet
Merry Meet

👏👏👏👏

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Luboman411 +56
Luboman411

In the United States we have mansions like these fanciful indiano mansions--built by self-made millionaires who amassed fortunes in all sorts of industries. Except they're way bigger because, well, American industrialists and entrepreneurs of the 19th century were the richest in the world. You can find these enormous mansions (practically palaces in some cases) concentrated in places like Newport, Rhode Island and the Hudson Valley in New York state.

2 месяца назад
Antiguo
Antiguo

@Sky While you had towns with barracks made of wood and were chasing the "indianos" (Check for the fort mose), the Spanish America had a civilization, with concrete, hospitals, universities. They're today amongst the most beautiful cities. Everybody fought Spanish empire with EVERYTHING. But you can't erase history.

2 месяца назад
saint emile +1
saint emile

Yeah but mansions in the U.S are tacky as hell and it doesn't really fit the country's climate unless you live in California or Florida.

2 месяца назад
Sandu Matei +1
Sandu Matei

Muy interesante el documental , muy educativo para la nueva generación pegada de celulares..... paso a paso la historia de la humanidad desaparecen........!!!!! Estoy esperando la parte 2.....!!!!

2 месяца назад
Gabriel Hernandez +3
Gabriel Hernandez

El profesor Martin Rodrigo se equivoca al decir que sólo existe la palabra "indianos" en la península ibérica. En Canarias se usó también ese termino y está muy arraigado en nuestra cultura. De hecho hay mucha documentación al respecto la cual invito a este profesor a viajar a las islas de La Palma donde existe incluso una fiesta que se llama los indianos que festejan la llegada de los mismo de regreso. En la isla de Gran Canaria también se utiliza este termino y también en la isla de Tenerife. existen muchos emigrantes Canarios viviendo en Cuba y Venezuela en donde prosperaron y muchos regresaron con mucho dinero y también hicieron sus mansiones en sus respectivas islas. Investigue mucho más don Martín Rodrigo que España es muy variada y en aquellos años de hambruna todos tuvieron que salir de España hacia las Indias....

2 месяца назад
Theo et Scientia
Theo et Scientia

Coño, pero cuál es la necesidad de escribir la misma cosa diez mil veces?

2 месяца назад
Gabriel Hernandez +1
Gabriel Hernandez

@Erick M. Conozco a este profesor del que hablas porque precisamente estuve en el año 2004 en Texas y en el día de Canarias que se celebra en la ciudad de San Antonio, gracias al Dr. Chiscano que siempre fue quien había promovido toda la historia y la relación de los Canarios con USA (Desgraciadamente ya falleció). No te preocupes que aunque siempre tratan de ocultar a los Canarios en la historia de forma directa no estoy enfadado contigo, ni con este canal, solo trato de revindicar lo que es histórico e intentar dentro de mis posibilidades que son pocas la difusión de la historia real. Estoy acostumbrado a ver como se nos trata y como se nos desprecia en algunos medios, pero seguiré insistiendo Erick, no me queda la menor duda. Saludos desde Gran Canaria.

2 месяца назад
Erick M.
Erick M.

@Gabriel Hernandez estoy informado y al día en cuanto a la extensión y la gran historia de la esfera hispana. Hay un historiador/profesor español viviendo en Texas enfocado en la difusión y conocimiento del asentamiento de Canarios allí y de la historia hispana de la zona. Como olvidar la Luisiana Española, donde hasta hubieron dominico hispanos que pelearon bajo el mando de Bernardo de Gálvez.

2 месяца назад
Erick M. +4
Erick M.

@Gabriel Hernandez hermano habla del origen de la palabra, no del individuo indiano en sí. El castellano/español es una lengua que nació en la península ibérica, por eso hace esa referencia. No es que excluye a los Canarios. Todos sabemos que que los Canarios fueron el grupo de españoles que más emigraron a Venezuela, Cuba y Puerto Rico, especialmente en épocas más recientes. Gran parte de ellos regresaron a Canarias con buen dinero y de los que se quedaron, algunos conservan la nacionalidad española. Soy dominicano, y aunque en proporción tengo menos acercamiento con las Islas Canarias, te aseguro no son uno ni dos los Canarios en mi ascendencia. El video se desarrolla mayormente en el norte de España y lo hace una red británica de noticias. Te aseguro que si abundan en el tema, tocarían el tema de las Islas Canarias indudablemente.

2 месяца назад
Gabriel Hernandez +1
Gabriel Hernandez

@Erick M. Si escuchas bien en el minuto 0:44 verás que dice textualmente " La palabra indiano y otras palabras parecidas solo existe en las lenguas peninsulares, en la península Ibérica" suficiente para entender que esas son lenguas autónomas o incluso el castellano que se habla en la península Ibérica. Y no te digo más cuando el profesor Miguel A. Aramburu en el minuto 0:58 dice textualmente "Estos indianos vivían en las montañas en su mayoría gente muy pobre..." Nunca y digo bien nunca mencionan a las islas Canarias en ningún momento. Cuando precisamente fuimos los que más emigramos y de hecho tanto en Cuba como en Venezuela tenemos el acento muy parecido e incluso compartimos muchas palabras comunes que todavía actualmente se siguen utilizando en estos países. Solo como un apunte, tanto en Venezuela como en cuba decir que eres isleño se refiere a que eres original de Las Islas Canarias. En fin este vídeo está muy mal documentado o solo documentado en un lugar donde ha intersado. Te puedo decir que también los Canarios fueron los que fundaron San Antonio de Tejas en Texas USA y fueron los que lucharon en el célebre fuerte del El Álamo de hecho la primera iglesia de EEUU fue la iglesia de San Antonio de tejas fundada por Canarios. Hoy en día existe la Casa de Canarias en Venezuela, en Cuba y por supuesto en San Antonio de Texas y también en New Orleans - Luisiana. Esto puedes investigar en internet donde encontrarás innumerables datos sobre el tema.

2 месяца назад
Cherylee Wilcox
Cherylee Wilcox

This was interesting. Thank you.

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Hesh +4
Hesh

Nice houses, but Aaarg..not about super rich Indians, as I wrongly thought. Indianos ,red indians, west indies, America itself was found due to looking for alternative route to India. a few centuries back , all roads led to India 😃 Nowadays, In my state in kerala, lot of people who went to the oilrich Gulf region build such houses, too

2 месяца назад
nemesis962074 +16
nemesis962074

These mansions remind me of the houses built by Mexicans who migrate to the US to make a living and then go back and build their houses in rural Mexico from the money they saved up in the US. Interesting to see how in both cases the effect on the local areas is similar, likewise not all of these people are involved in an insidious industry, in this case being drug trafficking instead of slavery, but some definitely are.

2 месяца назад
STONE 023
STONE 023

@nemesis962074  Mexicans in the US send back lots of money to Mexico. In fact I think some of the most money sent between two nations in the world is done between the US and Mexico.

2 месяца назад
nemesis962074
nemesis962074

@Dan Mur That's a very interesting point, ultimately I feel that we are yet to see how big or not the impact of Mexican Americans will be in Mexico, it feels almost like all the ingredients are there but there hasn't been a catalyst for mass introduction of Mexican American capital into Mexico, although with the cost of living rising in the US and the possibility of more remote work, I wouldn't be surprised if more well off Mexican Americans decide to move back, and how that might impact the country we are yet to see.

2 месяца назад
Antonio Campen +2
Antonio Campen

@Dan Mur the spanish are also the exception not the rule. most made very little money and just returned to the life they lived or stayed in cuba, fidel castro for example is descendant of galicians.

2 месяца назад
Marc Buisson +1
Marc Buisson

Same here in Europe. The balkans, as well as Romania are getting dotted by modern villas, built by Gastarbeiter and other migrant workers. That said, it is not linked to criminality at all (and you probably over-estimate the impact of it in the US, as well as overestimate the cost of building such a house, in a country where labor is a tenth of what it is in the US). Much more linked to good old dumb economic reasons We have jobs, good paying ones for them in the West. And it is becoming more and more the case for these workers to later come back once they are old, or maybe even get some kids. A lot of these big, modern houses are also built by the Gastarbeiter themselves. We have holidays, so they come back a month or two to the natuve village, with the whole family. I have a few friends whose parents are in this situation. I guess Poland used to be like that, but now, they are getting more opportunities and higher standards of life in Poland than in the UK or France, so they have stopped working far away.

2 месяца назад
Dan Mur +8
Dan Mur

Most people who emigrated from Mexico to the U.S. and return to Mexico to build homes have by far been mostly average workers who toil away in the U.S. working average jobs and saved their money. The drug and human trafficking conversation has been a completely different topic that has not been related to this at all in the past. I know because my aunt did this. She emigrated to the U.S. in the 1970s, worked in factories for nearly 2 decades, living with my parents rent free, or paying very little. She then returned to central Mexico with my grandmother in the 1990s to build her new house across the alley from her sisters house. It was nice and modern, with a few Mexican aesthetic touches (brick ranch), but relatively modest. The lot was huge, but it was only a one story home 3 bed, 1 bath, a family room, and detached garage. Also had front garden with pomegranate trees and daisies and indoor open air garden as many Mexican homes have and a working agricultural field/farm on one side. Despite it being average, it was very comfortable, had every modern amenity (satellite dish, washing machine, kitchen appliances, etc.), was neat and clean, and importantly felt like a home. It was in a rural area so it had a lot of open grass prairie behind the house. A lot of nature. My dad wanted to do the same once he retired with property he owns in Mexico, and he worked mostly as a truck driver here in the U.S. There have been a few average Mexicans who've built great wealth here in the U.S. (become millionaires--example of Tomato King Andres Bermudez from Zacatecas; or millionaire real estate property owners in California) and returned to Mexico to build mansions in their hometowns, but unlike the Spaniards, they tend to be the exception not the rule. And they usually go back to retire or build second/vacation homes not build up local institutions. Most Mexicans who return to Mexico and build houses have been regular working class residents who saved their money over time rather than built capitalistic empires (although as said there are major exceptions).

2 месяца назад
Rodrigo Iglesias
Rodrigo Iglesias

Mis bisabuelos fueron de Asturias a México cuando eran niños

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Worst Chores Made Simple
Worst Chores Made Simple

it's the same in England. Those palatial mansions speaks for itself. Cuba was a preferred destination for many, and whilst you have had to be entrepreneurial and hard working, many also settled and lived there rather than come back. Once the war with the US was over, decoupling and selling off its holding, banks and companies in Cuba, also meant that a large bulk of that wealth transfer was invested back into their homeland provinces, hence Bilbao, Madrid and Santander's fortunes. Those that did not emigrate to Cuba, sailed to Colombia, Argentina, Chile and Mexico.

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David Kuver
David Kuver

In Catalonia there's a route of Indianos....villages like Sant Pol de Mar or Sitges and so on.

2 месяца назад
Tattiana Salles
Tattiana Salles

Slave Traders! "Negreiros" as we call in Brazil. The grand historic 19th century mansions in my country, Brazil, were also built by men related to the slave trade from Africa to the Americas. Most of these men came from rural areas of Portugal and emigrated to Brazil at a very young age. I think the same happened with Cuba and Spain.

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Tattoo Tourism Official +1
Tattoo Tourism Official

El cuento de los esclavistas me recuerda mucho al tema de Pablo Escobar "la esclavitud fue un hecho miserable pero fue lo que funcionaba. La Barcelona que conocemos es debida a fulanito de tal" jaja -un Colombiano

2 месяца назад
Raymond Petit +4
Raymond Petit

Well, they did leave something behind. I am descended from Aramburos, Sambolas and Arnauds. I have DNA matches from Spain/France to Puerto Rico to Mexico to Argentina! I have no idea who my direct male ancestor is.

2 месяца назад
MrWorldwide +1
MrWorldwide

Good insight and I’ll have to read these comments. Definitely seem to stir up the pot

2 месяца назад
kkorova +2
kkorova

This also happened in Latin America itself. This is very recent history, however you have to imagine that in the 1600s, spanish migrants were establishing encomiendas and haciendas, owning massive amounts of land and enslaving the people in them. By doing so, they also shaped the history and political future of our countries. In my family, my grandmother was still the heir of haciendas and quite literally owned people. A shameful legacy that was not questioned up until the 1970s.

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio
Eva Rubio

@kkorova Sí , de hecho hubo gente que emigró a Alemania , a Francia , a Inglaterra y al volver se compraron un terreno y se hicieron una casa , en esta misma calle en la que vivo , hay varias, de verdad que es un caso muy parecido al de los emigrantes que en otro periodo de la historia iban a Cuba , iban , ahorraban y hacían una casa ,a mí precisamente me sorprendió ver en ese libro editado por la administración , casas llamadas de indianos , pero bastante humildes.

2 месяца назад
kkorova +1
kkorova

@Eva Rubio gracias por la informacion! Creo que tienes razon y que estan mezclando etapas diferentes de la historia. Importante acotacion!

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio +1
Eva Rubio

@kkorova Es que es muy malo este reportaje , mezcla años distintos , siglos distintos , habla de los esclavos y te pone imágenes de los años 20 con canotiers y automóviles , el marqués de Comillas no es el clásico indiano , era un hombre riquísimo , relacionado con la realeza , la mayoría de indianos no eran tan ricos , ni mucho menos , es todo demasiado confuso, las personas que emigraron a Cuba a principios del siglo XX no tuvieron esas ventajas, no había esclavos , no tenían tierras, trabajaban sobre todo en el comercio , muchas horas, dormían detrás del mostrador y alguno tuvo un golpe de suerte, después tuvieron negocios: tintorerías , restaurantes, ferreterías , tiendas de ropa y con la Revolución cubana pues perdieron casi todo , ellos no querían quedarse en esas condiciones y las propiedades no las podían llevar . Yo creo que hay mala fe en este reportaje .

2 месяца назад
kkorova
kkorova

@Eva Rubio En el minuto 8:04 hablan del caso del Marquez de Comillas, cuya fortuna se debio tambien al mercado de esclavos en Cuba (“compra y venta de personas”). Tambien menciona que tenia esclavos en los ingenios azucareros. Esta en el documental.

2 месяца назад
kkorova
kkorova

@MuzzaHukka so, it took me a while to think how to respond. According to the country’s system to assess family income, my family would be considered to be in the upper class. But I will say, this system does not consider wealth, which in my family was massively lost after the agrarian reform (and we support that… at least my mom and I do). My parents live comfortably and we always had a housekeeper and aid at home, as well as private education all the way through grad school. But please know… this is not uncommon and there are truly rich families that live with way way more. I no longer live in Peru but my parents do.

2 месяца назад
Mahinda Githaiga +1
Mahinda Githaiga

I would like to live in one of those mansions

2 месяца назад
clonn +32
clonn

Well done guys, feeding the Leyenda Negra in an Anglo Saxon channel.

2 месяца назад
#WavesandWind by #FranCamino +1
#WavesandWind by #FranCamino

@saint emile Tons of gold moved from one part of the empire to other. As today when materials are taken to different parts of the country according to their needs. In the case of South America is less than 20% and the 80% remained to build the new lands. Incans, Azteks, Mayans slaughtered and looted their neighbours. Have Perú, Mexico or Guatemala regreted what they did?. Colonization is bad but it’s the result of power and greed. And throughout history it has remained the same. The strong milks the weak. And it hasn’t been just Europe. Perhaps closer to our own history. And perhaps all those asking for excuses are the descenters of the ones who commited the atrocities.

2 месяца назад
#WavesandWind by #FranCamino +11
#WavesandWind by #FranCamino

@Pou1gie1 Face?. What for?. For events in which the current generations are not responsible for?.

2 месяца назад
Pou1gie1 +8
Pou1gie1

It is simply the truth. Europeans don't want to face the negative sides of their past.

2 месяца назад
PrimRoseD +5
PrimRoseD

This happened to Italians too I wonder if they have a term for those people.

2 месяца назад
Sofía Dri +1
Sofía Dri

@Francisco Olmedo yep, some came here after WW2, although the vast majority came here before, during the second half of the nineteenth century

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Francisco Olmedo +1
Francisco Olmedo

The Italians went to South America. Especially to Argentina. Uruguay and Brazil. When the second world war started i guess.

2 месяца назад
Local22 +1
Local22

Yes, Ndrangheta🤣🤣. Many went to Australia around the same times and still reside there (Griffith NSW and it's region, and also Melbourne, beeing the headquarters of overseas Calabrian self made millionaires and investors)

2 месяца назад
Anónimo15 +27
Anónimo15

No me puedo creer q la BBC todavía quiera dejar mal a España 😅

2 месяца назад
Sofía Dri
Sofía Dri

@Anónimo15 soy uruguaya

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Anónimo15
Anónimo15

@Sofía Dri la verdad es q.con españolas como tú sí

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Sofía Dri
Sofía Dri

Jaja España se deja mal sola

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Alejandro García Pérez
Alejandro García Pérez

@CondorFlyingHigh bajo la mentalidad actual sería lo que quieras, pero para entonces supuso un revolución en la forma en la que se trató a pueblos sometidos y en los que la fe católica tuvo mucho que ver. Se impulsaron leyes, derechos y obligaciones. Incluso los negros venidos de áfrica se sometieron a esas leyes firmando voluntariamente un contrato de trabajos que resultaban extraoficialmente a veces más o menos forzados pero de 8 horas y se les permitió comprar la libertad con ahorros y tener propiedades, acceder a las universidades y a altos mandos del ejército.

2 месяца назад
CondorFlyingHigh
CondorFlyingHigh

@Anónimo15 Recordá que el mestizaje no se hizo de manera voluntaria: los españoles no cortejaban a las mujeres indígenas, no eran relaciones consentidas. Eran violaciones. Los españoles violaban a las mujeres indígenas. Cuando los españoles fundaban una ciudad en América, lo primero que hacían era someter por la fuerza a los indígenas de los alrededores, en un radio de 30-50 kilómetros. Una vez que los indígenas estaban sometidos y que la ciudad estaba segura, recién entonces empezaban a llegar mujeres españolas. Del matrimonio de un español con una española nacía un criollo. Españoles y criollos continuaron sometiendo a la población indígena (y a la creciente población mestiza) hasta la independencia. Incluso después de la independencia, las nuevas élites, formadas exclusivamente por criollos (pues los peninsulares fueron exulsados) continuaron sometiendo a mestizos e indígenas (aunque a los primeros les concedían ciertos derechos)

2 месяца назад
Bertokok kok +34
Bertokok kok

Everything was relatively okay until the final message about Spain hasn't confronted its own slavery past. So that is the purpose of this video, trying to create a shared guilty feeling about slavery, as if the past of the Spanish Empire was the same as the protestant side. Nice try, but everyone who likes history knows which is the truth.

2 месяца назад
Sofía Dri
Sofía Dri

@Bertokok kok si, entiendo lo que decís

Месяц назад
Sofía Dri
Sofía Dri

No importa que haya sido peor en otros lados, lo correcto es admitir que estuvo mal

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Bertokok kok
Bertokok kok

@Rashed Chowdhury thanks

2 месяца назад
Rashed Chowdhury +1
Rashed Chowdhury

The porpoise, huh? 🐬

2 месяца назад
➰Rita➰ +30
➰Rita➰

Spain hasn’t confronted slave trade because it didn’t take a role on it systematically as a country... It was a thing of French, Portuguese, British and African systematically as a country. Look at the population of the countries where Spain ruled, even now days it is difficult to find black people. Compare Haiti 🇭🇹 and Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 for instance. Look at Brasil 🇧🇷 population... and the Spanish government had banned the slavery in the XVIII century (1766), but formally in 1837.

2 месяца назад
➰Rita➰
➰Rita➰

@L'eau, ça mouille Indeed

2 месяца назад
Francisco Osuna
Francisco Osuna

@L'eau, ça mouille you could be applying your hatred inappropriately. I am not as familiar with the history of Cuba and D.R. But, I am of Mexico and I suspect that the other colonies are of a similar story. The monarchy and later the government of Spain tried to ban slavery across the empire very early in it's history. That is very well documented. The problem is enforcement. Speeding is outlawed but it still happens, lawlessness happens every day. In my opinion the Spain intent was good, enforcement was the problem. Then political forces in Mexico obscured history to their benefit. For example Padre Hidalgo the is credited for El Grito de Independencia the government claims is a call for independence from Spain. However, if you actually read his speech Hidalgo actually summoned the Mexicans to come to the defense of the King of Spain that was deposed by the French. Your hostility is being channeled. In my opinion tricked for the benefit of someone. Trump is doing the same thing, it is nothing new, you just need to know that it happens.

2 месяца назад
L'eau, ça mouille
L'eau, ça mouille

Tell me you've never been to Cuba and the D.R. without telling me you've never been... Only 14% of the population in the Dominican Republic is White. 70% are mixed (afro/euro), 16% Black. 36% of Cubans are either Black or Mixed. You've never looked at those population with honesty. There are more than 15 million afro-descendants in Spanish-speaking countries of the Americas. Colombia = 4,671,160 Mexico = 2,576,213 Ecuador = 1,120,000 Cuba = 1,126,894 Venezuela = 1,087,427 Dominican Republic = 1,029,535 Etc. All of whom are descendants of Spanish owned slaves.

2 месяца назад
Francisco Osuna +3
Francisco Osuna

@Miles Dear Miles, I am 40% Native American. My ancestors lived in a NA pueblo. Many of my ancestors died in pueblos. You are perpetuating political half truths. Slavery was part of NAm culture long before the Spanish. A well known example is La Malinche that became Cortez's mistress. She was a slave to Aztecs and gifted to Cortez. It is widely agreed that she was a key to defeating the Aztecs. Spain did not defeat the Aztecs by themselves, NAm hostility among themselves were the key to the Aztec defeat. A well known Native American historian considered the Spanish/Native American relationship as mutually beneficial. Sadly a lot of the dust ups between the European and NAm culture is political. It is the same political tactics as Russia vs Ukraine.

2 месяца назад
Guillermo Casas
Guillermo Casas

@MilesNo, they did not.

2 месяца назад
Hewhosees
Hewhosees

Great grandfather was very wealthy from Spain and owned land in Puerto Rico in the city today called Fajardo. The Americans invaded and we lost the entire property of what today is a town. He left to Spain and my grandfather became impoverished

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A Nonymous +3
A Nonymous

I find it really strange how Europeans condemn slavery but never acknowledge colonialism that they did in the past If you want to judge the history by modern standard why don’t you condemn colonialism as well?

2 месяца назад
Mr Minute +2
Mr Minute

one should not apply the morals of today to the past. different people, different times.

2 месяца назад
Malte3910 +19
Malte3910

It's funny how the west apologise for their colonialism and brutality towards the natives and africans, but you never hear about the arabs apologising for doing the same in northen africa for hundreds of years slaughtering and selling african slaves. Or the africans doing the same to other african tribes, or native americans slaughtering other native americans, or the fact that when spain invaded mexico, the vast majority of the force againts the aztecs were other natives not spaniards. Or the fact that the spaniards were actually colonised by the romans and the arabs, and the english by the romans, and the romans by the germans, and the germans by the romans. I got an idea, nobody is alive from colonisation so why should anybody apologise? Qué asqueroso este agenda de pólitico

2 месяца назад
Marc Buisson
Marc Buisson

@Alejandro soto martin I mean you started speaking about white guilt or criminality or things that apply to the americas.

2 месяца назад
Alejandro soto martin
Alejandro soto martin

@Marc Buisson You telling me so as if i wasn 't aware of such thing or as if my country were Ecuador or Perú 🤣

2 месяца назад
Marc Buisson
Marc Buisson

@Alejandro soto martin I don't thinkbyou understand at all shat I was speaking about. Gastarbeiter are waves of italian, turkish, spanish and yugoslavian (a bit vietnamese too) who were welcome by the state and the companies to come, work and later settle locally. It was very common at the time in France, Belgium or the Netherlands. The german word stayed. With the opening of the EU, and free roaming around the Union, the word came back. The german word stayed because they had the most people. It's not due to guils or anything like that. It's because we need those skills they have, we pay big bucks to them, and they manage to work here to improve both their and sometimes their countrie's situation. Of course, the whole EU thing is in another mentality than the US and the Americas. There is a political will to make eastern europeans as rich as us for obvious reasons that is not in the Americas, as well as a faaar different relatio.ship between people and work. We have more leisure time, and in practive can far more easily put some money on the side than usonians. Once you have a job, there are little to none financial surprises that can come and take away your money.

2 месяца назад
Marc Buisson +2
Marc Buisson

See it as a strength and general trait of the collective west. Being able to pinpoint errors of the past, identify them and act so that they never happened. That's the case in history. But it's also the case regarding corruption, political systems, military organisation, economics, etc... If we did not have this capacity to analyse our own acts critically, we would not be in a better political situation than the arabs or russians. And far more corrupt.

2 месяца назад
J RVR +99
J RVR

For reasons I can't begin to understand BBC has decided to focus on the slavery subject, which is actually a very residual aspect of the "indiano" phenomenon. First of all, most of the Spanish emigrants who left their country for the Americas didn't really make a big fortune and eventually returned to Spain with very little money or stayed in the Americas living a pretty humble life. Only a very small proportion of the migrators (around 5-10%) actually managed to succeed and became wealthy enough to return to Spain as actual "indianos". Most of them made their fortunes in industrial enterprises, retail and distribution: the slavery trade was really an exception but, surprisingly, it becomes the centerfold of this otherwise interesting documentary. However I miss a more detailed insight of the migrants' struggle in the Americas or more examples of the excellent architecture they built along the coasts of Northern Spain.

2 месяца назад
Rubin Lopez
Rubin Lopez

@Enrique Martínez Pozas nah I’m just trolling you’re absolutely right, Spain didn’t get its wealth on the backs of slaves they got it all on their own.

2 месяца назад
Enrique Martínez Pozas
Enrique Martínez Pozas

@Rubin Lopez you really don't know the history of Spain and how Economy worked in the 16th and 17th Century in Europe if you come with the crumbs story

2 месяца назад
Rubin Lopez
Rubin Lopez

@Enrique Martínez Pozas that’s like saying I don’t have white privilege because I have to wake up and go to work everyday lol. It’s a hard pill to swallow I know I had to swallow it. From my fathers side of the family his grandfather came to Puerto Rico when he was in his early 20’s from Spain and bought a bunch of land and my family including my father worked the same land to sell at the market, the same land where plenty of dark brown skin Dominicans worked for less pay longer days and shittier living conditions. The Dominican Republic you spoke of earlier will fall into ruins if Dominicans living in NY alone would not be able to be a critical part of their economy (without having to live there, work there (or even step foot in the DR) like I said it doesn’t have to be any deeper than you take from once place and give to the other. Even as the cookie crumbles there’s crumbs for the ants on the floor.

2 месяца назад
xBeanCounterx +20
xBeanCounterx

For once I would like to learn about these fascinating people and their lives without having them called slave-traders not a minute in.

2 месяца назад
Alejandro soto martin
Alejandro soto martin

@Kubanakan Taino Pero usted sabe hacer algo además de quejarse por todo ? Es un escocido de la vida ?

2 месяца назад
conny nielson
conny nielson

Lol. In the late nineteenth century slavery had finished..they ought to check wikipedia lol.

2 месяца назад
Kubanakan Taino
Kubanakan Taino

@Alejandro soto martin And here we go again talking in circles

2 месяца назад
Kubanakan Taino
Kubanakan Taino

@Alejandro soto martin You know you're right when the opposition starts insulting you.

2 месяца назад
Boris
Boris

For obvious reasons no such problem in the town of Chillingbourne.

2 месяца назад
Casimir LeYeti +16
Casimir LeYeti

Bien que Français, je parle couramment Anglais et Espagnol ; la BBC est une référence mondiale pour la qualité de ses analyses.

2 месяца назад
Will Bass
Will Bass

Quality analysis ?? Wow!...is that your take away?

2 месяца назад
#WavesandWind by #FranCamino +3
#WavesandWind by #FranCamino

Irony. Right?

2 месяца назад
Karen Martinez
Karen Martinez

My grandsmothers uncle Jose Menendez Vina he was wealthy in cuba his brother Jesus was my granmothers father she was born in cuba 1918 her name carmen menendez

2 месяца назад
Slobodan Praljak +5
Slobodan Praljak

BBC y la leyenda negra

2 месяца назад
Harrison Rikky J +5
Harrison Rikky J

I'm 48years old living in California, am hoping to retire at 50 if things keep going well for me. Bought my first house last month and I can't be more proud that am i now. Am glad i made great decision about my finances that change me forever

2 месяца назад
Martin James
Martin James

Crypto staking. Investment and Trading are three different things entirely. This is also one of the best time to be involved.... I learnt a lot with these platform, make sure to only deal with established firms for your safety.

2 месяца назад
LillyRocks +6
LillyRocks

Sacaron, se llevaron tantísimo de lo que ahora es México, u otros países de Latinoamerica y ellos se enriquecieron muchísimo. Algunos se quedaron a vivir también en México, y son familias que todavía guardan esa herencia y esa riqueza. Son de las familias más ricas de México y conservan esos apellidos. Se apoyan mucho entre ellos. Y tienen mucho poder también hasta político. La verdad quisiera haber nacido en alguna de esas familias.

2 месяца назад
Panzerfaust 2000 +1
Panzerfaust 2000

Jajaja. Sí Obrador: blanquito, echando la culpa a los europeos, jajaja, nooooo, tu tienes rasgos indígenas clarísimos. Nada a emigrar a USA, tambien culpa de los españoles. Viva España!!!!🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦

2 месяца назад
Alejandro soto martin
Alejandro soto martin

@Will Bass About 85% of Mexican population is of at least partial Spanish descent. (~100.000.000 Mexicans)

2 месяца назад
Legazpi +1
Legazpi

My grandgrand father emigrated to Filipinas. And my family stills in Filipinas. Sugar and tobacco landlords

2 месяца назад
やエ
やエ

Roxas/Zobel?

2 месяца назад
Complex Reality +2
Complex Reality

Excellent video, I have to say. Indianos are showed as complex group of people who made lots of good deeds but some made part of their fortune as slave traders. Even though I recognise the history of defamation of the UK towards the past of the Spanish empire, this video is quite neutral and faithfully portrays reality. No me seáis garrulos, el video es bastante imparcial y trata un tema que ni siquiera en españa se conoce bien.

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio +4
Eva Rubio

La garrulada es seguir creyendo en la excelencia de la BBC , en España algunos decían " El modelo para TVE es la BBC " Yo hace mucho que dejé de creer tal cosa , ver como informan de ciertos lugares , sus filtros 🤦 es que ya no es este reportaje . Hablan de los que emigraron en el siglo XIX en la descripción del vídeo y después muestran montones de fotos de principios del siglo XX , es muy tramposo .

2 месяца назад
bluerocker27 +4
bluerocker27

If you see what the North Africans did to Spain and Portugal it makes sense why the Europeans came back with so much revenge agains the North Africans

2 месяца назад
Li Xing +3
Li Xing

Same on Corse Island ….. check the villas there…..

2 месяца назад
Oberon
Oberon

No way

2 месяца назад
Arturo Morales +4
Arturo Morales

¡Muy bien por España y Portugal! La esclavitud es y ha sido un hecho deplorable que ha visto surgir a individuos e imperios. El racismo no fue un factor general entre los siglos y tener una placa de la vergüenza en la plaza no hará del pueblo más trabajador ni honrado. Ha seguir para adelante sin estancarse en los males del pasado: PLVS VLTRA. Saludos de la ex audiencia de Charcas, hoy un triste bastión comunista a la disposición de agentes chinos.

2 месяца назад
Luca +7
Luca

There is not a “dark past”. These men simply lived - and made their fortune - by doing what a rich man would do. A rich man would put himself in such business (eg. trading slaves). It is a mistake to judge them with modern eyes.

2 месяца назад
Panzerfaust 2000
Panzerfaust 2000

Trabajando desde los 12 años

2 месяца назад
Titina's Trails
Titina's Trails

How can they forget about the whole of the Canarian Islands in this conversation??

2 месяца назад
Rose Rose +3
Rose Rose

Espana a pagar reparaciones a Boriken. Spain must pay reparations to Boriken before making any statements to the EU or UN

2 месяца назад
[ADRIUMBRA]
[ADRIUMBRA]

Puerto Rico was more prosperous with Spain than now with the US, so... no xD

2 месяца назад
Juan Mestre
Juan Mestre

Jajajaja keep dreaming

2 месяца назад
Stuart Medina +5
Stuart Medina

Indeed today Puerto Rico’s GDP per capita is similar to Spain’s. Why should a country receive reparations from a country with an equivalent standard of living?

2 месяца назад
aljeaun
aljeaun

sana may mayaman ding filipino na ilustrado noon na nagtayo ng mansion sa espanya para may arkitekturang filipino sa kanila, like bahay-na-bato 😂

2 месяца назад
Alejandro S +3
Alejandro S

Los más grandes negreros fueron los reinos africanos y los árabes. Que no se olvide!

2 месяца назад
Aimee Inkling +8
Aimee Inkling

"They were trained in the most advanced forms of capitalization," otherwise known as exploitation and subjugation. 😆 They built some nice houses though.

2 месяца назад
Hesh
Hesh

Advanced capitalism exists in australia , too. There is a huuuuge amount of land in australia. But govt has land zoning laws and restriction on subdivion of land. This means that though there are scores of beautiful coastal and regional towns, plots to build houses are scarce . The capitaliatic idea is to keep house prices high in city and regional areas by this method. It works but 1000s of aussies rent their whole life and the rest pay 30 year mortgages to get their 400sqm land and house

2 месяца назад
Monica
Monica

The traders build their wealth on slave labor as well, since sugar, coffee and tobacco were produced by slaves. It is one thin layer removed from direct slave trade.

2 месяца назад
Lenka A +1
Lenka A

Most part of this emigration was after 1880. And in that moment there was not slavery in Spain. Cuba and other countries stills being spanish provinces but, in fact, there was not spanish imperium anymore. Most of spanish went to America because they were extremely poor people. And many of them just never returned. Those who come back being rich were just a few of them. And they caused a great impact in places so little as Asturias (my land) that was not industrialized at all. Some of my relatives and ancestors were emigrants. Part of them still living in Argentina and Cuba, their kids and grandchildren are from these countries and they are not rich in any way. Some of them returned decades ago, and yes, they were "rich" in comparison to those who never emigrated. Not as rich to build one of these houses of indianos (wich I totally love) but richer than before, sure. In America they worked as taylors. Later they owned a shop, they were lucky but also hard workers. Bonus track: some of them married cuban people who were rich. Were they rich because of slavery? I have no idea. But anyway slavery was a cuban thing then and not a spanish one. Not anymore. Slavery was forbidden in Spain three decades ago. It took a long time doing the same in Cuba, and there were catalonian land owners who showed their opposition to abolition. On the other hand, we can also talk about those who never become rich just because they died. That happened to my greatparent's dad. He emigrated to America in order to earn some money for his family. He received a letter informing him that his wife was so ill. And he died on the way back home, because the boat sunk. Later, his wife also died, so the kids were to an orphanage. Not all the stories were successful, not all had happy ending. Not all the successful indianos had to do with slavery. But yes, of course, let british talk about spaniards dark legend. Again 🙄😅

2 месяца назад
Lazy Wall Street News +1
Lazy Wall Street News

Soy nacido y criado en Puerto Rico, a nosotros en la escuela nos contaban de los dueños de haciendas de azúcar o café en el siglo 19 y principios de siglo 20 que abusaban de los trabajadores, no les pagaban justamente a los empleados y por tener que apuntar su trabajo cada día en libreta es que se llaman 'trabajadores de jornal' hoy día, entre muchísimos otros temas de colonización. En mi pueblo en el oeste de PR todavía hay muchas haciendas de azúcar con sus chimeneas altas, casas estilo español, y hasta el acento de hablar en PR se parece mucho más al acento de las Islas Canarias mucho más que el acento de España Ibérica. A nosotros nos enseñan a ser orgullosos del trabajador boricua, el famoso 'jíbaro puertorriqueño'... Yo soy mezclado indio, negro y blanco y juraba que el abuso era del gobierno español, no de los ciudadanos. Aprendes algo nuevo cada día. En PR hay varias casas como estas, muchas veces las tumban o las convierten en museo o algo. Para nosotros este legado no es algo positivo. Se ve más como una parte triste en la historia de la isla. Sin embargo y quizás hasta ironico, hoy día al estar relacionados con EEUU y usar el dólar Americano, PR tiene mucha mejor calidad de vida que cualquier otro país en el Caribe o Latinoamérica.

2 месяца назад
Lazy Wall Street News
Lazy Wall Street News

@Eva Rubio Bueno, te digo la verdad no me gustaría eso porque PR no ha sido libre ni 5 minutos de poder autogobernarse, creo que preferiría independencia al fin y al cabo para que pueda volver y así hacer lo mismo que hicieron esta gente pero en la isla y sin tener esclavos ni abusar de nadie. A la misma vez entiendo el argumento de ser estado. Soy del oeste de PR so en realidad la estadidad no me ha interesado mucho porque en el oeste históricamente hay un poco más de resistencia ante el colonizaje; es donde sucedió la leyenda de Diego Salcedo, por ejemplo) Pero creo que la gente votará por ser estado eventualmente. Es cm me decía mi padre cuando iba a votar, tienes que escoger el menos malo 😂

2 месяца назад
DarkTagMaster +2
DarkTagMaster

I don't know if the statistic is true, but I have read that there are more ppl on earth enslaved right now, than any other time in history.

2 месяца назад
paca de vic +15
paca de vic

Title has no sense. Is hundreds of thousands of very poor people migrating to earn a life, usually starting in the worse jobs and conditions. From them luckily we just know a few cases like Güell and Lopez in Barcelona that ended up trading humans.

2 месяца назад
Elyeye Bro +6
Elyeye Bro

It’s a sensasionalist title in British Media

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio +7
Eva Rubio

Totalmente de acuerdo , son historias como la de los fundadores de _El Corte Inglés_ o _Galerías Preciados_ , que empezaban de aprendices en tiendas , incluso dormían tras el mostrador , en esa época lógicamente ni había esclavos , ni comercio de esclavos , ni nada parecido , esas casas de indianos que aparecen ahí , muchas en Asturias , también en Galicia pertenecen a esa época .

2 месяца назад
Tereza Santana
Tereza Santana

São espanhóis escravocratas. Obrigado pela contribuição a compreensão deste período da História da Escravidão Moderna na Europa Hispânica.

2 месяца назад
Tereza Santana
Tereza Santana

@Marcos Fontes, cara, isto não é tribunal para impingir responsabilidades a um ou outro. O material postado, quem estuda História sabe, colabora de fato para compreender 1. onde foi parar a riqueza construída na pilhagem das Américas? 2. com tanta riqueza acumulada porque Espanha e Portugal não são economias ricas, destacadas na Europa?

2 месяца назад
Francisco Olmedo +1
Francisco Olmedo

Portugal fue uno de los primeros países europeos en establecer colonias en África. Durante el período colonial, Portugal se basó en gran medida en la mano de obra esclava, principalmente de África, para desarrollar estas colonias y extraer recursos como oro, marfil y ESCLAVOS.

2 месяца назад
Álvaro González Gambini +10
Álvaro González Gambini

El 45,9% del negocio de la esclavitud fue llevado acabo por esclavistas portugueses. The Volume and Structure of the Transatlantic Slave Trade: A Reassessment Author(s): David Eltis

2 месяца назад
Marcos Fontes
Marcos Fontes

Hoje em dia Zara ''''explora'''' a mão de obra barata da Asia sem problemas eticos. Voce mesmo não vai querer pagar mais caro por uma roupa só para melhorar a vida de alguem em Bangaladesh ..........kkkkkkkkkkkkk

2 месяца назад
Esteban Rivera +2
Esteban Rivera

La esclavitud aún era legal en Cuba, no así en España. De ahí que pudieron sacar provecho de eso. Pero hay más países con esclavitud tardía, como Brasil 1880s y hasta Colombia 1860s.

2 месяца назад
Antonio Casares +3
Antonio Casares

On the contrary, Brittons travelling all around the world at that time were not slavists nor some of them even pirates at all….

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio +1
Eva Rubio

Eran lo peor de lo peor y en el fondo lo saben.

2 месяца назад
paco valderrama +8
paco valderrama

BBC talking about black Spanish legend . 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

2 месяца назад
Laïque +12
Laïque

Confront the past in the past not in the present... It is not justice, it is seeking revenge...

2 месяца назад
A BC +1
A BC

@Laïque I wasn't talking about this in particular, just in general. certain historical wrongs can't be corrected in that same time frame for several reasons.

2 месяца назад
Laïque +2
Laïque

@A BC

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio +3
Eva Rubio

@Luboman411 Aquí no se cuenta toda la historia , se hace un penoso trabajo mezclando décadas distintas , siglos distintos , hablan del comercio de esclavos y ponen imágenes de principios del siglo XX ¡Qué desastre !🤦

2 месяца назад
A BC +7
A BC

What about correcting a historical wrongdoing? Sometimes it's not too late to correct course. What if they didn't have the means to confront the past?

2 месяца назад
Hugo Sánchez +2
Hugo Sánchez

Si Francia es el primero que sigue practicando la esclavitud moderna en África… 😂

2 месяца назад
Monzai +9
Monzai

Generational wealth always has a dark past

2 месяца назад
Alex +2
Alex

Not always. In fact, almost never. Most people went there, made money improving the places they went to and then return to their homeland when they retired with enough money to live more comfortably back at home.

2 месяца назад
zaina boone
zaina boone

I thought indiano was only used for brown people because they call Filipinos Indio/Indiano never seen a white Spanish gets called as indiano pretty cool to hear

2 месяца назад
Thomas J
Thomas J

How did they get their wealth back to Spain?

2 месяца назад
yolanda brinkman +3
yolanda brinkman

And yet Spain was the first European country to ban slavery.

2 месяца назад
Chase Williams +2
Chase Williams

Nothing wring about it. Men went abroad and made their fortune, them came back to their home towns and bettered to lives if many people.

2 месяца назад
MT +2
MT

....bueno, nadie se hace rico siendo honesto😳

2 месяца назад
Alana +17
Alana

Viva España 🇨🇺🇪🇸

2 месяца назад
Kubanakan Taino
Kubanakan Taino

@Juan Mestre I really don't understand what you're trying to accomplish. I answer your questions and tell you I don't like either the Cuban government or the Spanish hotel chains. Then you start asking me rhetorical questions. ..And now you start comparing the Roman Empire to the Pre-Columbian America's. It's sad because I know that if we were face to face we would've gotten over our argument a while ago.

2 месяца назад
Matias D.C
Matias D.C

@Alana ,,See this is why Pinochet went genocidal on your spanish paisanos lol

2 месяца назад
Kubanakan Taino +1
Kubanakan Taino

@Alana I would also like to add that Jose Marti himself felt that Cubans should be taught more about the Pre-Columbian history of Cuba and the America's instead of look to the ancient civilizations of Europe. It is honestly just said because the current regime would rather that Cubans live in extreme poverty as European hotel chains exploit their labor and take the capital back with them to Spain and give the other half to the government.

2 месяца назад
Antonio Luna
Antonio Luna

¿Y qué hay de los Indianos del siglo 16 que volvieron desde Perú? a Trujillo de Extremadura, por ejemplo...

2 месяца назад
Luis Darío George
Luis Darío George

disfruta el Cuzco, dá las gracias que se lo dejamos como se lo dejamos

2 месяца назад
B D +11
B D

These days, you migrate to America, work your tail off for forty years, come back where you come from and you're lucky to afford one bedroom apartment.

2 месяца назад
saint emile +1
saint emile

That's true for any country today. It really depends on several factors, like what you do for a living and *where* you're migrating to. Most countries in America have strict immigration laws, and much like in the US a lot of opportunities are reserved for people who already live there, getting a permanent visa is difficult unless you're rich or have relatives in the country. That being said, America is a massive continent with dozens of countries, many of whom are economic powerhouses so there's no shortage of opportunities over there, but it really boils down to what you do for a living. You will not become rich working a menial job in Argentina or Cuba, but you wouldn't in the US either. If you're a doctor, a lawyer, or have skills that set you apart you can definitely become rich in the long term though.

2 месяца назад
Paella Shitpost +9
Paella Shitpost

I see literally no problem here. Arriba España

2 месяца назад
slow gomera
slow gomera

y las fiestas de la palma?

2 месяца назад
Ivax Nog
Ivax Nog

I remember Galvano Fiamma

2 месяца назад
Leo +3
Leo

Me cuesta creer que toda esa riqueza no tuvo que ver con la esclavitud

2 месяца назад
jonay z
jonay z

@Leo No se saquea lo que es tuyo y no digas mentiras. Mira, para que no llores te devuelvo el oro si tú me devuelves mis espejos y mis cuentas de colores, ...

2 месяца назад
Alex +2
Alex

Teniendo en cuenta que este proceso migratorio del que se habla en el video sucedió tras el cese de la esclavitud, entre 1860 y 1940... es bastante difícil que tenga algo que ver.

2 месяца назад
Héctor Navas Simón
Héctor Navas Simón

Literalmente 0 capacidad de reflexión, eh 😅😅 Monocultivos en el S. XIX. Si no se los llamaba esclavos era sólo nominalmente. Y mejor no hablemos de las numerosas revoluciones cubanas y de la represión y los campos de concentración de Weyler...

2 месяца назад
Pieter Wolt
Pieter Wolt

great eye opener

2 месяца назад
Kaan Erdem +16
Kaan Erdem

Reading the comments, i am gratefull as Turkish we have something common with the spanish... the anglo saxon hatred!

2 месяца назад
Alejandro soto martin
Alejandro soto martin

@saint emile Your arguments seem very profound and convincing. An adjective and an emoji. Do you want a university professorship for it?

2 месяца назад
saint emile
saint emile

@Alejandro soto martin Delusional🤣

2 месяца назад
Alejandro soto martin
Alejandro soto martin

@saint emile And not, my little buddy. Maybe you don´t know what the Royal Fifth was but in the particular case of Hispanic America, and due to the fact that it was a homogenizing and horizontalizing empire that favored the immigration of its citizens across the ocean and not only across the earth's surface, barely 20% of the compensation for wealth obtained, produced, cultivated or exploited belonged to the king. Something that from the 18th century was reduced to 10%. Based on that Royal Fifth and the vocation to settle down and develop a better and freer life already in the imperial period from which Europe could earn you more than 80% of all the wealth produced or manufactured goods used were reinvested in the urbanization of the American continent. That is why today Latin America and the Philippines have more UNESCO World Heritage cultural Sites than the entire African continent or all the territories that were once part of the British Empire. Which was indeed the longest empire ever. But what did you achieved with the Royal Fifth and the codevelopement in the territories whicch wre just a projection of Spain into another continent while having more liberties and investement coming from Europe into the New World ? That Mexico City had a channeling that the capital of the empire itself, Madrid, did not have until well into the 19th century. And always established by the viceregal administration itself. Not bad to be just "exploiters from other continents". The disaster of the countries of Latin America came with the independence and mainly during the 19th century. But since they are already independent republics, no Spaniard wants to get involved in the daily bickering of their difficult, frustrating and abstruse politics. Nor spend OUR money and effort ruining ourselves in said task.

2 месяца назад
Alejandro soto martin
Alejandro soto martin

@saint emile Probably you don´t even live in yours ancestor´s land from the fruit of your own work and effort. Unlike me.

2 месяца назад
Marcos Tovar +12
Marcos Tovar

We agree. We must face our past.

2 месяца назад
Miki
Miki

8:42. A part...

2 месяца назад
Íñigo Alái +8
Íñigo Alái

La BBC como siempre: echando mierda sobre España. ¡Qué pereza!

2 месяца назад
Alberto
Alberto

@Eva Rubio no he dicho ni que este bien o mal o que la bbc sea fiable o no asi qhe no se aqui viene este comentario. Solo digo que los españoles en internet a menudo son muy cansinos con sus semiconspiraciones de wue los ingleses dedicab su vida a difamar españa. La bbc es muy critica con el colonialismo poscolonialismo y todo lo asociado a ello, no es que les tebgan mania a españa por ningun motivo

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio +2
Eva Rubio

@Alberto ¿ Qué colonialismo ? Sí la mayoría de las imágenes que se muestran pertenecen a los primeros años del siglo XX ¿ No distingues la ropa , un automóvil ? Cuba ya no pertenecía a España , no había esclavitud , en la descripción del vídeo habla del siglo XIX exclusivamente y después saca un montón de fotos del siglo XX , no es actuar honestamente , hay que quitarse ya complejos , si es la BBC es excelente , poseen la verdad absoluta , no es así, ni con este tema ni con otros , muchas de esas casas fueron construidas por gente que emigró a Cuba a principios del siglo XX , a una minoría le fue bien , construyeron esas casas o no , dependiendo de su gusto ,trabajaron duro , tuvieron un golpe de suerte , con la Revolución perdieron casi todo, prefirieron irse , así que poco pudieron salvar, los bienes que tenían norteamericanos en Cuba fueron limpiamente conseguidos ¿ Los bienes españoles , no ? Cines , ferreterías , tintorerías,tiendas... Hay que dejar de aceptar de forma acrítica todo lo que venga de EEUU , Reino Unido , hay que dejar de ser unos acomplejados .

2 месяца назад
Alberto
Alberto

@Ferbsol No. Lo que tienen es una vision muy negativa del colonialismo. Se estan disculpando cada dos por tres

2 месяца назад
Ferbsol
Ferbsol

@Alberto también odian a los ingleses cierto

2 месяца назад
Alberto +2
Alberto

pereza tu. La bbc habla lo mismo sobre el colonialismo ingles o de cualquier otro pais europeo.

2 месяца назад
LC MM +19
LC MM

The "indianos" did what the Englishmen, Frenchmen from the 18th. and 19th. centuries did all the time. No reason to feel guilty. It's the European mentality of the time.

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio
Eva Rubio

@saint emile And China ?

2 месяца назад
saint emile +1
saint emile

@Eva Rubio Silk from India and gold and diamonds from Africa and South America

2 месяца назад
Eva Rubio
Eva Rubio

@saint emile Africa, India and South America ? Silk ? 😌 Se te acaba de ver el plumero.

2 месяца назад
Dan Mur
Dan Mur

The French, just like the Spanish, also built fortunes in Mexico. There are some towns in southern France that were built or sustained primarily from returning affluent French-Mexican capitalists. I know you reference the French in Canada and the U.S. largely in the 18th century, but in Mexico this happened in the 19th and into the early 20th century (and today in Mexico, as a result, French genetic ancestry is the 2nd most common European ancestry after Spanish). The French were already immigrating to Mexico even as it was still a colonial Spanish viceroyalty prior to independence and influenced Mexican food/gastronomy, music, and dress.

2 месяца назад
Fabio Dimartino +1
Fabio Dimartino

We all know what happens when people try to rewrite history. Read Orwell if you don't get it. Renaming the square doesn't do anything for the poor guy it commemorates, it's just some window dressing for virtue-signalling do-gooders. The Marqués de Comillas did a lot of good to Barcelona, even if he was not a virtuous man. What did Idriss Diallo do for Barcelona?

2 месяца назад
loudspeakers
loudspeakers

Very interesting video!

2 месяца назад

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